22 Apr, 2009 in Business in China by Fili An Tags: alexandra harney; business in china; China; chinese business; foreigners; the china price;

The China Price : Thinking about China but looking at who we are Not too long ago, an MBA class at HKUST that I’m taking had a guest speaker – Alexandra Harney – the author of a book called "The China Price". The main message was that "we", as "future managers", should also take into consideration the human cost of doing business in China and that behind the wonderful exterior of a blooming economy hides a story of the Chinese worker scarifying his rights, his dignity, his health and well-being for a financial benefit to himself and his family. The Chinese government was put on the spot in allowing all this to take place, but the speaker also suggested personal responsibility for those doing business with China.

Honestly, I was deeply bothered by that lecture. Not because I was exposed to the horrors of labor exploitation for the first time, and not by the inconceivable inequality in standard of living between some parts of China and the more developed countries. What was shocking to me was the ongoing never ending double standards applied to the discussion of China and Chinese culture. Foreigners constantly judge China by morals and ethics they would never consider applying to themselves. The Chinese are this, the Chinese are that, it’s just so horrible, it’s inexcusable, it’s the end of the world and the Chinese are to blame. They’re not self aware, they don’t see what they’re doing, they unjust, inhuman or just maybe – plain stupid as they simply don’t understand. We, the foreigners, the enlightened ones, with our business schools of management and multi-variant analysis, from our highly successful never failing economies of just human rights and perfect law systems would finally bring civilization to the native savages, if they don’t kill themselves or us first.

I’m aware of the horrible stories out there and it is important to discuss them, but when the discussion turns to the lack of equal opportunity health care and social welfare system in China one begins to ask – wait, wait, hold on a second, with the speaker and over 50% of this class from the states – what health care system are you talking about? what pension plan? when a guy from California starts talking about the Chinese not caring about the environment, I can’t help but ask myself if this guy ever stopped to consider his own contribution, or his country’s, to the problem with the environment.

Richard (The Peking Duck) recently referred to "How China sees itself" with the following remark :

It’s not surprising to see America in second place, of course. Anyone who spends a lot of time oversees (or even reads a lot of foreign magazines online) knows just how ugly America can look in the eyes of the world, in direct contradiction to our own perception of a benevolent, generous, often selfless friend to all the world. I got over this form of mild brainwashing when I was a teenager, and I often wonder why so many Chinese people find it next to impossible to even consider the possibility that their own image in the world is far different from their own perception. [...]

Yan’s comment is like spitting into a hurricane. It’s going to take a lot of time and deprogramming before most Chinese people realize their perception of China is not a universal one. And yes, that goes for America as well, though the smoke in our eyes isn’t nearly as thick.

Michael Turton adds:

I think the problem isn’t just propaganda, Richard, but also that Chinese culture/mentality appears to lack any critique of itself, the way westerners in both Europe and the US often question the way their own nations/cultures behave. [...]

Reading a few more comments I felt I needed to say something :

[...] the way this discussion is taking place in the comments that I read suggests that people of all nationalities, especially those of western countries and the states, not only see themselves and their governments in a much more positive light than they perhaps should, but also that they consider themselves to be of somewhat superior culture, moral and ethics. Neocolonialism, maybe. Classic cognitive bias, perhaps.

It’s a classic cross cultural attitude that expats often adopt, especially westerners in Asia. I’ve seen this in the more developed and democratic Taiwan as well (sometimes like Michael who is commenting here). “They don’t know what they’re doing”, “they’re not self-aware”, “they still have a lot to learn”, “back home we do things SO much better”, “we ARE aware”. Are you? Do you now? Is it really?

My take on things – try and apply some cultural sensitivity and see things from a different perspective. Living in Asia and having many Chinese and Taiwanese friends has been a humbling experience for me. Though those Chinese and Taiwanese who connect with an expat like me are already not your average sample, I believe they reflect the diversity of those cultures and the fact that you can find beauty and flaws in any society. There is alot that we can criticize China, Taiwan or Israel for, but we can not apply double standards when we look at ourselves. Looking from within, Chinese, Taiwanese and Israelis sometimes employ much higher self-criticism than some of the North-Americans and Europeans I know, even if they have their own way of doing that and do show patriotic emotions to outsiders. You might not agree with their government’s bottom line actions and with what you think their social reaction as people should be, but to that I would encourage you to strongly consider what your government, your people and yourself have all done in the last few years on those same issues in your country [...]

The ones lacking critique are us. That China Price session in a room full of international MBA and exchange students eager for stories that would confirm and strengthen the horrors of China they travelled half the world to hear was – to me – a somewhat sad reflection of who we are.

  • anonymous
    Fili, as a Chinese, I am pleased to find a culturally sensitive, thoughtful foreigner like you. You've articulated my thoughts perhaps better than I could have on the issue. No country/culture is perfect and modern China is no exception. Many Chinese understand China's "software" (as they say in Chinese) or culture is in need of an upgrade thanks to Mao. Most Chinese look to the West especially America with admiration and want to enjoy more human rights and govt representation. However, Chinese people do not appreciate condescending holier-than-thou China bashing/hating lacking in sympathy, compassion, and understanding.

    China bashing comes out of demonization of China and does China and the world no good.

    Part of China's cultural identity today is the humiliation she suffered before and during the two world wars. Colonialism has left its scares and despite China's growing economy, memories of colonial past still hunt her. When foreigners assume a superior stance and criticize China seemingly without compassion or understanding, Chinese people perceive the criticism as malevolent attacks. Western media with its western biases control the podium in the int'l arena of public opinion. Western preferences, values, and tastes are taken as the assumed standard in judging the rest of the world. This has been the case since the 19th century with British world dominance and the 20th cntury with American world dominance. I think we are entering into an age of more egalitarian power sharing and multi-culturalism. Cultural sensitivity is something we all need to cultivate.
  • Robert - perhaps lacking your eloquence with words, I wasn't suggesting cutting slack for China or not exercising morals and ethics when doing business in China. Quite the contrary, I would like to see more of that on a global scale. We, the foreigners, those not mainland Chinese (hoping that's specific enough for you), simply don't do that. This is where I'm feeling uncomfortable.

    The other point was that when it comes to judging a culture different than our own which we're not familiar with we should approach with extreme caution. Especially when we decide for others how they should live and what they should do. Applying general stereotypes to a culture or a country suggesting that we know better is a very problematic attitude. We, the foreigners, simply do that ALL the time.

    Stories should be told, observations should be shared, Harney has my greatest appreciation for the work she's done in bringing those stories out into the open, but when it comes to judgment and criticism we are to try and realize that the situation might be a bit more complex - as she does at times try and point out. Reinforcing stereotypes is easy, trying to see things objectively is far more difficult.
  • Robert Clark
    What is this shit?

    An MBA student learns that the Chinese economy is built on the backs of low-wage workers who don't have freedom of association, assembly or speech and immediately "feels bothered" -- not for the exploited workers but for himself.

    "Foreigners" (a precise concept indeed) shouldn't be calling things as they see them. Instead, each will be permitted to speak only after his or her own country has been graded on a random group of metrics.

    If you want to make the argument that Alexandra Harney is a hypocrite for writing a book about exploitation, let's hear it, rather than about your discomfit.

    On the other hand, if you're "bothered" by the idea that business, like life, just occasionally requires moral choices, a career running Dongguan sweatshops awaits you.
  • Fili, you come from a small country that sits on the cusp of East and West and is an object of both criticism and admiration. You are lucky in that this gives you a very different perspective on things and you can see different sides of what is going on, while others might not find it so obvious.

    I think you make an important point. Maybe I am even guilty of this myself sometimes. At the same time I don't believe that people should shy away from being critical of things. Just because you may be an outsider doesn't mean your point of view is not valid. In Taiwan I have seen academics dismiss the views of foreigners because they "don't understand Taiwan". Similarly with regards to human rights issues some Taiwanese dismiss human rights problems in Taiwan by saying the USA is equally as bad. That may well be true, but it doesn't negate the problem that exists in Taiwan. It is still an issue that needs to be dealt with.

    I think the most important thing is to criticise with intelligence and wisdom, avoid generalisations and back up what you say with facts. The world we live in is not perfect and filled with many injustices. If we can speak out to try and change this in some way then we should do it.
  • David - yeah, I believe we have shortly debated and perhaps at times disagreed on this topic before on your blog.

    I'm not saying foreigners aren't entitled to their own opinions and that if they have an opinion they shouldn't express it. Yet, there are a few things to be said about the way it should be done, and the point I'm referring to here is that bashing, as opposed to constructive culture-sensitive criticism, is often the case with foreigners when judging others rather than one self. It's especially troubling when expats go into a glorification of their own cultural and national background, coming from a stand point of superiority and higher knowledge-skills-understanding than locals.

    When it comes to China, Taiwan, and especially Israel I sometimes support the view that foreigners do not understand their target of criticism as they rarely speak the local language, know anything about the local culture and norms, and live off scraps of translated information through a self-serving politically-biased international media. I've even seen that with world renowned called experts who - as far as my limited understanding allows me - are at times severely lacking in their perception of simple situations (as I'm sure I do too). It's not to say that their views should be ignored, but that they should perhaps be more sensitive and follow what you wrote in your last paragraph.
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