21 Apr, 2006 in Asia by Fili An Tags: Asia; Uncategorized;

After watching this funny video :

Any “white” person spending over than a few days in Asia wonders about the badly-named “Yellow Fever” phenomenon at some point. It doesn’t take a big anthropologist to see what’s happening, even when eliminating all the prostitution and the nasty cases of exploitation. You see many cases of “white guys” hanging around with “Asian girls” (though it’s true there aren’t that many cases of “white girls” with “Asian guys”). I think I must have had dozens of very long conversations about the subject with various nationalities, both of western and Asian origin, and there’s no simple conclusion as to what exactly is happening, yet I will try and write a few of my thoughts on the matter, even though I might get myself into little trouble.In my personal view, I’m very attracted to the “something” that’s different from what I am. There was a point in my life when I mainly wanted to get closer to someone who’s exactly like me so it will be easier for me to do what-ever-it-is that I liked doing. It was more comfortable and made it very easy to get closer as I thought the ‘connection’ was better and it’s all safe and cozy.
That changed, slowly, during the years, but still – coming into Asia, I couldn’t really see how it would be possible to bridge differences between somebody coming from Israel and someone living in Asia.

Back in Israel, romantically, I was becoming aware of the challenge in dating an Israeli girl of eastern culture backgrounds (ancestors from Morocco, Yemen, Egypt, Iraq, Iran), even though we were both 3-5rd generation in Israel. At first it made me think it’s too challenging, but with time I found it to be very exciting and meaningful. My brother ended up marrying a girl with a very different background than ours and it was wonderful to experience the differences between my family and her family at the wedding and the “Hina” ceremony. But with a completely different language and a completely different culture? I just couldn’t see how that might work out.

It didn’t take too long, maybe 3 months, for me to realize that not only that the differences didn’t bother me, it’s what attracted me, not only in the romantic sense. In Vietnam, somewhere in HoiAn, I no longer needed to have my “western” group to go and hangout with so I could “speak English” and act on all my “western” stereotypes. I had my Vietnamese friends, boys and girls, that I had a great time with every day.

I remember posting photos on my blog one day in HoiAn and sending a link to one of my friends in Israel, who started talking to me in Messenger, saying “look at all those beautiful Vietnamese people, aren’t they gorgeous?”, to which he replied with a “I guess you really have to be in Asia for a few months to appreciate Asian beauty”. I thought that was weird. With regards to some of the girls he even went on further to say that he couldn’t ever see himself dating a Vietnamese/Asian girl. That just made me feel sad.

In HoiAn I also got to meet a very nice Aussie girl that was having a very hard time in Vietnam. She was overwhelmed by how difficult everything was and that has affected her perception in that she found it all to be unattractive. We had the pleasure of meeting each other in one of the restaurants I was helping my Vietnamese female friend, Ly, to do some waitering. So she got to meet the pure-hearted Ly and hear about my loving perspective of things in HoiAn and I do believe that has contributed in changing her perception of Vietnam. I recently got some email from her informing me that she’s still living happily ever after in Vietnam’s NhaTrang with her very handsome Vietnamese boyfriend, letting go of all previous plans she had. She now loves the country she was once miserable in, embracing all the difficulties instead of trying to avoid and fight them. And, mind you, she’s a “white girl” with an “Asian guy”.

Attraction is a weird thing, something that could be discussed endlessly. I hope and believe that an open-minded Asian guy coming into Israel would find himself an Israeli girlfriend in no time, due to “attraction to the different” phenomenon, and I don’t think anybody would think of calling it “Israeli fever”. As long as there is no exploitation, or feelings of inferiority, differences within friends and couples is, in my view, magical. I wish for everybody to experience that magic at some point in his/her life.

  • epps
    hahah as an asian girl who spent 8 years in Aus and 8 years in HK before studying for 2 years in Canada, the yellow fever has definitely been one of the top things i noticed! :P

    I grew up with English as my main language, and ive always noticed how there are always more western guys with asian girls.. haha

    but anyways what i found interesting about your blog is that my current boyfriend is from israel, he grew up there and calls it home etc, and he always tells me that its so weird for israelis to date asians.

    your blog makes me feel a bit better about this asain (HK specifically) israeli link :)
    thanks!
  • Stanley
    I'm an Asian guy and I like Israeli/Jewish girls.
  • Stanley - eh... good to know :P any specific reasons?
  • Joy
    Mike... was that quote suppose to justify the term?
    Yea, actually, I do find it offensive. I can't say whether or not I find Hapa offensive, because it doesn't pertain to me. Should I find "nigger" or "spick" offensive? Those terms wouldn't be referred to me. It's great if you don't feel the least disturbed if someone calls you a cracker or white trash.

    You can't really talk, because marrying a Chinese American doesn't give you any first person point of view on how it feels like to be a minority in a larger population. And Chinese Americans are really more American than Asian in culture and behavior.

    Those words are meant to be offensive, because they came out at a time when people were openly racist. And it doesn't matter who's saying it, it diminishes people to that stereotype.
  • mike dunn
    Lighten up Joy. First time i heard term 'yellow fever' it was by the writer, Tennessee Williams. In conversation w/ a friend who told him he had yellow fever (jaundice kind), Williams(gay) replied " I know what you mean. Those Oriental boys are pure poetry."
    My son is a Hapa. (his ma chinese-american). Now do you consider ' Hapa' a racist expression also? If so, better tell Hawaii and mainland China. Best ,Mike P.S. Keep up the great work fiLi!
  • Joy
    yea I think some non asian men do have a skewed view of what asian beauty is. I think no matter what race a person is, if the person is beautiful, it comes across universally, and can be agreed on. But then again because of media influence and globalization, a lot of asians standardize beautiful asian women with more characteristics that can be called western, but really are just an ideal Eurasian look: big bright eyes, lean sculpted faces, delicate noses, full lips (well that one's more non-white I guess).
    And the non asians with "yellow fever" (which is degrading, because it sounds like a synonym of Jaundice), they're attracted to the extreme characteristics of asian stereotypes: small slanted eyes, extremely high cheek bones, shinny golden skin. Some of those characteristics may be just from porn queens, and a lot of those types wouldn't be regarded as attractive even centuries before.

    And I personally do hate dating men that have a thing for me purely for my race even after knowing me for a while. We are visual beings, and what attracts are purely visual at first, but if people can't get past that then there's no getting past ignorance.
  • Mel
    And if it is of any interest to anyone, the "yellow fever" topic is not what attracted me to this article - it is more the fact that my mother is Taiwanese, and father is half German half English.
  • Mel
    Just to make clear - I am Eurasian, that is properly mixed race (one of my parents is fully European, and the other Asian).
    Unrelated, but one thing I am sick of is people from Macau and the Phillipines claiming to be mixed race because of their surnames - this is in fact due to the Portuguese and Spanish being over in those countries God knows how many years ago.

    My mother is the Asian one and she is always laughing at white people who just see an Asian girl and go "Oooh, she's attractive!" because they can'ttell the difference between one that resembles a dog, and one that doesn't.

    I know a lot of Asian girls who are all sick and weary of some (not all) white guys hankering on them because they're beautiful because of their race - the weird ass yellow fever thing.

    I've read comments on websites such as this : "I HAVEN'T SEEN AN UGLY ASIAN WOMAN, I LOVE THEM ALL !"

    Obviously not everyone who dates an Asian person is like this, but there is a line between just finding someone attractive, and then finding an entire race attractive - that to me is an offensive and almost derogatory obssession.

    People like that have been watching way too much p0rn. Seriously, Asian girls don't all screw like the ones you see in p0rn. According to my mother in fact, society out there isn't as sex-obssessed as it is here, so I don't think they would engage in half of the acts you've probably witnessed.

    Most Asian/Half-Asian girls I know who have encountered this find it very demeaning and unpleasant, and for those living in Western countries it makes it very difficult to find someone who is genuine.

    Obviously, it is impossible to put a stop to it, so it can only be advised - girls, be cautious.

    Also, it may be of interest to know that any sexual fetish/obssession or preference is in fact a psychological disorder.
  • I am afraid that's probably because most people don't even know Taiwan exists as an entity. :-(

    Israeli women? I didn't think you could generalise Israeli women the way you can Asian women - since their ancestors hail from all sorts of different places. (?)

    But what I've seen in Melbourne, I think Israeli women are quite beautiful and have very interesting personalities. They are very strong-willed - the ones I've met anyhow. This is markedly different to so many boring Asian women who just live to please everyone else. :-(((((
  • Yeah, in a way it does, and after I wrote that post, it brought many more people looking for all those search-words.

    There's no doubt there are some nasty cases out there, but hey, at least they were also looking for Israeli women and no one was looking for Taiwanese women in specific, although it's all over my site.
  • PS: Your post on how people are led to your site, sort of proves my post above, doesn't it? =D
  • Fili,

    Yep, with Asia it is much more sensitive because we've been colonised (somewhat unpleasantly) by the West. Though of course, Taiwan's experience was quite pleasant in comparison to others.

    There's NOTHING WRONG with admiring beauty (or the perception thereof). But for some reason (and perhaps I had such a terrible experience with non-Asians in Japan looking to satisfy their fetishes), I find it really a bit much at times.

    I mean, I am very very open-minded and I love cultural exchange etc. But there's something very innately sexual about the way many non-Asian guys approach Asian girls, in Asia. Get what I am saying? It's kind of gross at times.

    But, I am not saying that your posts make you sound like one of those awful men I saw in Asia. Indeed, I would think you do feel it from a more cerebral level. But that's overwhelmingly, not what I see in the non-Asian guys in Asia.

    I don't mean any offence. Just to point out that it is not always pleasant for the ladies. =D

    Oh yes, sure, many cultures openly praise certain types of men/women. I mean, many Aussies love the Scandinavian women as well. But is it to the extent of a fetish? I can't feel it - probably because I am not Scandinavian. But even more probably, I think there's something about the IMAGE of Asian women that makes others think we're all a bunch of unthinking, self-sacrificing, demure... blow-up doll. Ahem. Whereas, no-one would perceive the Scandinavian women as being subservient, would they?

    I guess that's why it's so damn frustrating. The misconception is.

    Ah right, your site doesn't load much faster. Maybe a couple of seconds faster... but not a lot.
    :-(

    Sorry I type lightning fast so it's inevitable that my posts are so damn long. :-(
  • I'm well aware that many people, such as yourself, have termed it "Asian fetish" and see it as something ugly.

    I think there's a real difference between those guys who go to Asian countries so that they can pursue Asian girls because they're "uniquely slim and hot", and with those who enjoy Asian beauty and personality. Should I tune down my appreciation for Taiwan-Vietnam-Asia in general? is it okay to talk about places and culture, but wrong to talk about people and beauty?

    And as for the romantic side of things...
    Many Israelies are stating that they love Swedish beauty - the open-liberal, mixed-introextrovert, tanned tall blue-eyes blond girl.
    Many Europeans that I met, some not knowing that I'm Israeli, have stated that they love Israeli beauty - the strongminded, very extroverted and sexually-open, exotic tanned oriental-mix stereotyped girls.

    There seems to be no problem in that, because it's not political and there's no issue of exploitation and inferiority. With Asia, it's a bit more sensitive, obviously.
  • Yeah, I've broadband and it's still quite slow. Must be all the Javascripts you're running?

    I forgot to add to my last post. It's probably better to tone down the Asian girl type of a fetish thing, when in Asia. Lots of Asians don't find it so complimentary.

    It's nothing to do with cultural discrimination or racism, whatsoever. It's basically that a lot of women do feel victimised in something that's almost a little bit perverse. This is definitely the case in Japan, but I am not sure what it's like in Taiwan nowadays. So do bear in mind that it may not always be kindly received - even if well-meant.
  • Hmmm... regarding the site's load time - I know :( It was pretty much okay from Taiwan, I know it's fairly okay in Israel, but I've heard that it's crap from other countries.

    As a blogger.com member, you know how bad it is with tweaking and I've got javascript code running from over 6 different sites.
    I'll try and consolidate that at some point, not that it would help. In the meanwhile - I'm sorry...
  • Fili, your site loads so slowly. :-(

    Although I am not an expat. (anymore), I always feel as if I live the expat. life. I can always identify with your posts on living abroad, culture, anthropology.

    On this latest post, I feel as if I could write a book about it. Clearly you could, too. =D

    But as an Asian woman, I'll tell you this - there are some countries in Asia where, the type of 'foreign' men are not the most savoury/gentlemanly. As such, I think they give those who genuinely enjoy a bicultural relationship, a >>terrible
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